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Johan Brandstedt's avatar

Thanks for highlighting the other and more serious side of the issue!

This aspect will be tried in Germany in April (Kneschke v Laion).

It’s also worth noting that both the US senate and UK government have confirmed training on copyright works as illegal this past week.

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Gary Marcus's avatar

We actually addressed the possibility of output filtering in our paper, and noted that it is not reliable, and suspect that it will not work at all well for lesser-known works. You took the easiest cases, ignoring what we wrote, and have generalized to all cases, exactly the sort of reasoning fallacy your blog is supposed to highlight.

At the least you could have addressed the passage in the Spectrum where we said “As a last resort, the X user @bartekxx12 has experimented with trying to get ChatGPT and Google Reverse Image Search to identify sources, with mixed (but not zero) success. It remains to be seen whether such approaches can be used reliably, particularly with materials that are more recent and less well-known than those we used in our experiments.” Even more important I think was this passage towards the end that we quoted “… everyone knows what Mario looks Iike. But nobody would recognize Mike Finklestein’s wildlife photography. So when you say “super super sharp beautiful beautiful photo of an otter leaping out of the water” You probably don’t realize that the output is essentially a real photo that Mike stayed out in the rain for three weeks to take.” You have by no means shown that ChatGPT filtering will be up to that task, nor even considered the possibility.

A bit disappointed you didn’t ask me for comment before posting, particularly given the strong formulation you chose, focusing only on the most frequent stimuli. If you really want to pursue you should also consider the noncanonical Marios in my Substack with Katie Conrad, and other stimuli of that ilk. Generalization, as always, is the key issue.

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